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    2011 Ford Mustang and 2010 Chevy Camaro

    Ford and General Motors ©

    by: Jeff Sabatini | AOL Autos
     

    Ford and Chevy are waging an escalating horsepower war with their iconic pony cars, but this time around, things are different. While attention has historically surrounded the fire-breathing, high-performance V8 versions of the Mustang and Camaro, the realities of today’s market have shifted the focus to the base models, both powered by V6 engines.

    Since Ford launched this entire category with the Mustang in 1964, the V6 versions of these cars have been mostly underwhelming, at best serving as cheap transportation for teen wannabes while earning the derisive moniker “secretary cars.” But that changed with GM’s “reboot” of the Camaro for the 2010 model year. The long-awaited new model hit the market in summer 2009, with its base V6 rated at 304 horsepower and 273 lb-ft of torque. All of a sudden, there was a $23,000 pony car with real power -- and it even managed 29 miles per gallon on the highway, according to the EPA.

    To put the Camaro’s achievement in proper perspective, consider that the 2010 Mustang GT’s V8 is rated at 315 horsepower, just 11 more than Chevy’s V6. Heck, even the final V8 Camaro GM sold before putting the nameplate on hiatus, a 2002 model, managed only 310 horsepower. (The old V6 was downright pathetic, making just 200.) Most importantly, however, was that the 2010 Camaro V6 was rated at a whopping 94 horses more than the V6 Mustang. As you might imagine, this did not make Ford particularly pleased.

    But the Blue Oval wasn’t down for the count, and in fact, was readying new engines for the 2011 Mustang, which goes on sale this month. While the big news for Mustang aficionados may have been the rebirth of the “5.0” V8, the 412-horsepower monster found in the flagship Mustang GT, an all-new V6 also debuted. Displacing 3.7 liters and producing 305 horsepower and 280 lb-ft of torque, Ford’s new V6 had tweaked the Camaro by a single horsepower.

    When Dave Pericak, chief engineer of the Mustang, was asked if his $23,000 V6 pony car was tuned just to beat Chevy, he replied, “I’m not going to lie to you, that’s exactly why.”

    Now this is where things get really interesting. Not long after Ford announced the numbers for the new Mustang V6, GM informed the world that its V6 was actually producing 312 horsepower and 278 lb-ft of torque -- and that from the 2011 model year forward, that would be the Camaro’s official power rating. Advantage: Chevy.

    So what actually happened? How could the General pull eight extra horses out of its hat, just when it appeared FoMoCo was about to claim the title?

    As it turns out, the answer is quite simple: All it did was actually test the Camaro V6 according to the Society of Automotive Engineers standard that manufacturers use to certify their engines.

    But wait, hadn’t GM already tested and certified the Camaro V6 and got the 304 horsepower result? Yes, and no. The Camaro uses the same V6 drivetrain that debuted in the 2008 Cadillac CTS, and according to spokesman Tom Read, initially GM did not re-certify the V6 for the Camaro. So Chevy was using the CTS test results to determine the Camaro’s official rating, this despite knowing that the 3.6-liter V6 would achieve slightly better performance in the Camaro due to a more efficient intake and exhaust system. No parts were changed in the Camaro engine and the engine control software was not reprogrammed, meaning the 2011 Camaro offers exactly the same performance as the 2010 model. The only difference is its official rating.

    “The competitive landscape changed,” said Read, “So we said, ‘Wait a minute here, maybe there’s reason we should go through the procedure.’ We did it for obvious competitive reasons. I don’t know if Ford pushed us to do it, as much as we pushed them to improve their engines. GM got Ford to step it up a bit.”

    Clearly, the motivation behind all this one-upsmanship is the belief that trumping your rival in horsepower translates into sales. So can we expect to see Ford eke a few more ponies out of their steed for 2012? Ford is not saying, but it seems likely that this is one battle they will be content to lose -- in favor of waging a broader war.

    “We’re not going to comment on the Camaro. We’ve made the best V6 Mustang ever, and we’re not going to concentrate on someone else’s horsepower number,” said Ford spokesman Richard Truett.

    There are other numbers to consider, numbers that Ford thinks are in its favor. Even if GM’s new rating for the Camaro gives it an apparent advantage, Ford says its V6 Mustang manages 31 mpg’s on the highway when equipped with a six-speed automatic. (The six-speed manual matches the Camaro at 29 mpg.) How do you do the math on GM’s two-percent horsepower advantage against Ford’s seven percent better fuel economy?

    Another thing to think about is curb weight. The lightest V6 Camaro weighs in at a hefty 3,719 pounds, while Ford’s estimate for the Mustang is 3,473. Thus my calculator tells me that the Mustang has the better power to weight ratio, at 1:11.4 versus 1:11.9 for the Camaro. While there are a multitude of issues involved in determining overall performance, from torque and gearing to tires and handling, the raw data suggests that the Mustang will outperform the Camaro, at least in a 0-60 mph sprint. Testing by car magazines seems to confirm this.

    Regardless of who ultimately wins bragging rights, the fact is that the automakers are clearly paying close attention to the V6 models. Ford says it is seeing an even split in the orders for the new V6 against the V8, compared to past launches where V6 models only accounted for 30 percent. Chevy says its projections show V6 models -- currently making up about half the mix -- will eventually account for the majority of sales.

    It’s no wonder, either. Turn the clock back a decade and I would have told you an inexpensive, six-cylinder pony car that returns nearly 30 miles per gallon on the highway while generating 300-plus horsepower was crazy talk. But that’s today’s reality.

    “You aren’t sacrificing performance for fuel economy and price,” said GM spokesman Adam Denison.

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    collinsawjr Feb 16, 2011 8:15 PM
    Yellow Camaro w/ Black leather. I think I've said enough.
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    football099 Aug 14, 2010 12:19 AM
    Ive owned a mint 95 gt for two years now and ive loved mustangs all my life. the way i look at is you have to respect a car and the ford brand in general for making a car that has been made every year and not to mention the mustang has so many other tuners that customize them from shelby, saleen, roush and dozens more. and lets not forget that even the s197 mustang with the 4.6 and only 300-315 horsepower was still damn near keeping up with the camaro and matching the challenger with pretty 100 less horsepower. and now with the big dog 5.0 back and 412 horsepower, still less than the camaro, and it is running away from it and the srt8 not to mention it handles on par with bmw's and porsches.the mustang is still americas favorite pony car. it was here before the camaro and will still be here when they stop making the camaro again.
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    z06bait Jul 17, 2010 3:49 AM
    Check out www.MustangvsCamaro.com. We just started this site about a week ago.
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    stlcardude Apr 26, 2010 11:19 PM
    WATCH THE MOST RECENT COMMERCIAL GM HAS PAID BACK THE LOANS 5 YEARS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. MOST ALL OF US HAVE TAKEN A LOAN THAT'S WHAT THIS COUNTRY RUNS ON SO HOW COULD YOU HOLD THAT AGAINST THEM. HOW MANY COMPANIES QUIETLY TAKE LOANS FROM FOREIGN INVESTORS OR BUY FOREIGN PARTS. LAST I KNEW FORD HAD FOREIGN MADE PARTS IN THEM,RIGHT? SO WHY BE MAD WHEN THEY BORROW FROM OUR OWN COUNTRY. I'M JUST SAYIN .. YA KNOW?
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    sgbvxbsz Apr 23, 2010 11:12 PM
    http://shorl.com/gadrirodrosupro
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    sledcrazyinct Apr 23, 2010 10:58 AM
    flatouthemi Mopar had power back in the day but are the biggest rust buckets ON EARTH. That is why if there is still a HEMI mopar from late sixties to early seventies they go for so much coin most of the rusty clunkers were turned in for scrap to make Japanese steel. FORD RULES, the only thing GOOD in a DODGE truck is a Cummins diesel. FORD TRUCKS ARE THE BEST NOW AND ALWAYS! Close to fourty years and counting!
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    papachuck63 Apr 22, 2010 8:46 PM
    GM made a good effort in paying back the loan however their old investors got screwed. Investing in something isn't a sure thing by any means. Some win and some loose. It would be nice to see Fiat do the same thing! The Camaro and Mustang are both good for America. Competition is a good thing. It makes them both strive to be the best and at a good price.
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    transam145 Apr 22, 2010 8:07 PM
    BUY AMERICAN NOT FROM THE GOVERNMENT that means FORD. GM unless they pay back ALL the loans back to THE US govenment will not get my support. KEEP GOVERMENT OUT OF AMERICAN BUSINESS>. Socialist or Communist is not good and is not AMERICAN. FORD IS AN AMERICAN CO. GO FORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. When GM is not Government owned than I'll say go gm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    mbenzftl Apr 22, 2010 8:48 AM
    I would buy a challeger over the other 2,
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    bmpoc21 Apr 22, 2010 7:10 AM
    Buy Ford !
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    chvy70camaro Apr 22, 2010 5:00 AM
    steel, that so-called 'bailout' is actually a loan! a big chunk was just paid back 5 years EARLY!!
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    chvy70camaro Apr 22, 2010 4:57 AM
    bob you sound like a girl and/or very old!!
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    bobthedriver05 Apr 22, 2010 2:29 AM
    a car ia a car as long as it runs good and gets you from point a to point b who cares
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    steelraptor24 Apr 21, 2010 9:29 PM
    mortimernogamo, I have owned my mustang 10 years, and the only thing I have ever had to repair on it was the retractor on the seatbelt, and that is just part of wear and tear.
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    steelraptor24 Apr 21, 2010 9:27 PM
    The Government approved the bailout under the Bush administration back in December of 2008 before Obama even took office, If the Bush bailout plan hadn't already been put in motion, Obama wouldn't have been put into a pressured position to approve second part of the bailout. BTW there are plenty of horsepower fans out there clammoring for these cars, especially since back orders for these cars are getting rediculous. I know because I ordered one and found out how badly people want the new 5.0
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    chvy70camaro Apr 19, 2010 9:20 PM
    I know, but they get about 20 MPG city, papa, not too bad for over 300hp!!
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    papachuck63 Apr 19, 2010 6:53 PM
    You only get the 30 mpg when you are running in top gear. The average city driver will never see it.
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    chvy70camaro Apr 19, 2010 6:42 PM
    these new V6s with 304 and 305hp/ 29 and 30 MPG highway, kick a*s!!
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    chvy70camaro Apr 19, 2010 6:41 PM
    jagllsp, that Ford GT retailed for about 260K!! almost 4 TIMES Tthat of a Z06 Vette and about 2 1/2 times that of the new ZR1 Vette, which will smoke it!! Both these cars represent American muscle very well, though!
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    lafm2005 Apr 19, 2010 4:18 PM
    Both cars are great American cars. Superior to the Euro-Asian trash so many 'Americans' buy.
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